*********************************************************************************************************************** Our Datmansia Project
This past fall we let several garden sites know what we have been up to with our cross of a Datura X Brugmansia = Datmansia.
We have been playing with this now for 3 years and it was time to let this information out to the Public.
The 2007 Datura Projects
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I just received these from a lady and she said a couple have now done this from her project. Double Calyx?
The left shows the one bloom at the 'Y.' Datmansia with three buds at the 'Y.'
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I have gotten a couple emails from folks noticing that the Corolla tube doesn't always fall. Cheryl/MI has been so kind in passing along some of her photos which I'll share here.
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Datmansia Pods B & C 
Datmansia Project B from Florida
Datmansia Project from MD
Blue Green fuzzy foilage with 10 3/4" calyx and bloom measured 7 1/2" x 8" in length.
Datmansia Project
This one measured in a 11" long X 7" across!
Datmansia Project
Datmansia Project:
Datmansia Project:
A sweet citrusy bloom scent is very strong and the foliage has the scent of peanut butter!
Measuring in at 9 1/4" X 5 1/2"
Datmansia Project A
Datura grown in 2007 Datmansia 2008
Thank you Richard for sharing these two so folks can compare.
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Here is what we have here from Seedpod A that was planted last fall.
Measured 9 1/2" X 6 1/2"
Project B. started in the greenhouse and planted out in the spring.
Bloom #1 was not measured and seemed normal in size, no blueish tint on the edges.
Bloom #2, same plant opened as bloom #1 was finishing and laying downward. But #2 was impressive in size, she measured in at
11 1/2" X 8 1/2" and the biggest we have ever seen.
Yes the middle photo was taken upside down, as some say these look like a Brugmansia and so the last photo was turned so that some of
you can see her the right side up. She is so breath taking no matter how you look at her. Needless to say they only last a few hours and then
when the heat gets to them they lay downward. More of our photos on what we are growing here are in an album called Datmansia:
We will add as we take them so check back to see what has been added to the Datmansia section.
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A Big Thank You to all our testers, just look at those beautiful bloomers!
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The above seeds pods show the different color of the Datmansia seeds with the deeper shade of browns. On our
data front page you will find the D. Missouri Marble that we allow to self pollinate and they are more of the creamer shades.
Datmansia from seed pod A ~ our first cross with D. Missouri Marble X B. Shorty's variegated are the first few on the left. At this time they
show more pink on the stems than the ones on the right. Those on the right are from the cross D. MM x D. MM Albino Sport and are hardier.
Keeping our toes cross these will make it. These were planted after a 3 week cold period in the refridg., these are just a week old 04/10/08.
Behind them is this years Datmansia from seedpod A planted the same time and no cold treatment. D. MM X B. TNN reverse variegated. We
save seed pods A and have shared the other seedpods with our testers that live across the nation so that they too can try to grow these.
4/27 we are currently seeing the leaves on some of these that were hit with insect spray last week melt and curl under, stems are solid so we
hope some of them can be saved. We noticed this am that the first Datmasia seeds we planted are starting to sprout also. 5/5 All of these that
are in the photo did not make it but we are still seeing some of the seeds sprout, no more spraying!
May 21, 2008 on the above tray we are now down to just one plant but have several others that were started outside and they are in full sun.
You can see the last photo in the front gardens page as it sits just a few feet from where the D. Missouri Marble. So far with our
crazy weather we haven't seen her some up. But again if you go from 90s weather to 50s and back up what can one say?
Our first 'Albino' 2008 that was planted directly into the soil has sprouted plus another flat that is in full sun.
We continue to see these sprout in the ground, the many flats we have and the D. Missouri Marble X D. MM Variegated has now sprouted,
again we are seeing Albinos and these are sitting in full sun.
We also put the first year seeds that we thought were lost into our Park Seed starter dome and to our surprise they are starting
to sprout as they sit in full sun.
Some of you last year saw the tray that we had the Albinos seedlings in and got to see that in the middle of that tray was a green
seedling. Last month I contacted the expert that I have been working with to show him how that seedling had developed as I was told to remove
that one from the tray and set it aside. For those that doubt what we are doing, maybe you will be just as surprise as we are?? We are also seeing
more green seedlings this year and these too will be set aside to see how they developed. None of our Datura seedlings are around the Brugmansia
Seedlings, as some of you know I don't believe in growing them at all in close range. This seedling was moved to be photographed and is now back
in the greenhouse for safe keeping on the top shelf where the Daturas are kept.
We are suppending the public portion of this study, if you have seeds from this project do enjoy!! As you can see we now know what direction
the 4th generation needs to go with the germination of the 3rd generation, which is more albinos. So we know from our research crossing two albinos will
produce a majority of albinos with a few solids. Those that did get your seeds to germinate if you have variegated Brugmansias or Datura please cross them
if you would like, it's no big deal if you just enjoy.
With that stated this project is now closed and we will continue on the path that our experts have told us to travel. Thank you all for the support and interests
here. We will no longer be sending out our seeds from this project.
September 2008 :
We have obtained D. Missouri Marble from a mailorder nursery back east and have planted them in the ground. In October we got one to bloom and since
it we only had B. TNN's reverse variegated pollen available that bloom was cross with that pollen. Placed in the greenhouse in early October when we had a threat
of frost.
October 2008:
We have moved all the D. Missouri Marbles inside now and the two that we have in the house one has decided to bloom. Note the difference in what we have
seen in the past. These have more of a blue D. inoxia tint in the corrolla bell and not like the orginial TNN's purple tint. Yes this one was crossed with B. TNN's Reverse Variegated.